Left: 'John Squire' in a deleted scene from 24 Hour Party People.
Right: Stone Roses tribute band Fool's Gold in a deleted scene from 24 Hour Party People.
Miscellaneous
Any interesting Roses related facts or miscellaneous memorabilia will be found on this page. Please contact me if you have any contributions.
1. The Stone Roses were supposed to be portrayed in the film '24 Hour Party People' by the tribute band Fool's Gold, who were filmed playing a couple of live tracks - Sally Cinnamon at the Hacienda and one at The Battle Of The Bands with The Happy Mondays. Stills can be seen below. The Stone Roses were cut from the film after Silvertone refused to allow the song Fool's Gold to appear on the 24 Hour Party People soundtrack.
Left: 'John Squire' in a deleted scene from 24 Hour Party People.
Right: Stone Roses tribute band Fool's Gold in a deleted scene from 24 Hour Party People.
2. If you watch the 1989 Blackpool Empress Ballroom concert closely, John Squire appears to be playing I Am The Resurrection with two different guitars ! He begins the song playing a Les Paul and ends playing a Fender, due to a mix-up in editing. The video shows footage of Going Down, with audio of I Am The Resurrection. Other such errors can be found in the video.
Video stills (by Michela O'Brien) from I Am The Resurrection, 'Blackpool Live' video.
3. There are Stone Roses bars in Leeds, York, Ibiza and Kos.
The Stone Roses bar, York. Although Roses themed, there are various photos, original paintings and references to other indie bands in the bar. For example, the discount card is called a 'Going For Gold' card (a reference to York's own Shed Seven), and I'm reliably informed that the ladies toilets are emblazoned with the quite appropriate song title 'There She Goes' !
4. In 2005, Ian Brown designed a pair of Adidas Superstar trainers (limited run of 5,000 pairs) as part of the product's 35th anniversary promotion.
5. As well as being a fervent Manchester United and Celtic fan, Mani has been spotted at Cappielow Stadium, Greenock, home of Scottish Second Division side, Greenock Morton F.C.
6. In a Boddingtons survey in December 2006 asking people to name their ideal 'pint pal' from the Northwest, Ian Brown came in at a surprising Number 7 position. I say 'surprising' because Ian claims not to have touched alcohol in years and thus would not himself be having a pint ! Here is the Top 10:
1. Vernon Kay
2. Shayne Ward
3. Mark Berry (aka Bez)
4. Steve Coogan
5. Liam Gallagher
6. Ralf Little
7. Ian Brown
8. Ricky Tomlinson
9. Peter Kay
10. Wayne Rooney
The survey also asked who was "least liked in the local"; John Squire found himself unfortunately just making the Top 10:
1. Liam Gallagher
2. Clint Boon
3. Shaun Ryder
4. Sir Alex Ferguson
5. David Dickinson
6. Blanche from Coronation Street
7. Mark Berry (aka Bez)
8. Terry Christian
9. Coleen McLoughlin
10. John Squire
7. Snooker player Ronnie O'Sullivan's entrance music for the 2010 World Open was Stellify, by Ian Brown.
8. A scene in the 2004 film 'Shaun of the Dead' finds Shaun and his best friend Ed flipping through a selection of LPs, deciding which to keep and which are worthless enough to be used as weapons against advancing zombies. Shaun argues for Second Coming to be spared, although is almost apologetic for liking it:
9. On the Nathan Barley DVD, look out for the Fool's Gold vinyl on the bench beside Barley early on in the pilot episode.
10. Ian Brown has the superstition of never having money in his pockets when he is singing live.
11. John Squire's pollocked guitar featured in the Elephant Stone video can be seen resting against an amp on The Stone Roses' appearance on 'The Other Side Of Midnight.'
12. A lyric from 'For the Girl' by The Fratellis references The Stone Roses: "She was into the Stones when I was into the Roses."
13. Artists that have covered tracks by The Stone Roses include: Orange Overdrive (Elephant Stone), SuperDrive (Elephant Stone), Schizo Fun Addict (Elizabeth My Dear), Belle and Sebastian (Fool's Gold live at the Olympia, Dublin on 15th September 2001), The Unbelievable Truth (I Wanna Be Adored), Turnerjoy (I Wanna Be Adored), Year Of The Rabbit (I Wanna Be Adored), I Am At The World Trade Center (Shoot You Down), The Courteeners (Standing Here live at La Maroquinerie, Paris, 24th January 2007).
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Ticket for The Rub at The King Tut's Wah Wah Hut, Glasgow (19 / 03 / 01).
15.
Ticket for The Rub at The Underworld, Camden, London (23 / 03 / 01).
16.
Promotional scratchcard for the release of Golden Greats. I didn't win...
17.
Stone Roses postcards. In the top postcard, The Stone Roses are standing in front of Centre Point, a substantial concrete and glass office building in central London, occupying 101 - 103 New Oxford Street, WC1, close to St Giles Circus and almost directly above Tottenham Court Road tube station. The postcard to the bottom right of this shows the band beside the fountains at the base of the building.
18. A comical exchange took place between Tubes, of Soccer AM fame, and Ian Brown at the 'Ryan Giggs: True Red' premiere in 2008. Tubes performed a short rap to Ian: "You are Ian Brown, I have got a bad boy frown", to which a clearly bemused Ian responded, "You ought to keep off the drugs mate."
19. At the 2006 NME awards, Ian Brown received a Godlike Genius award. The pre-recorded introductory biographical piece by Conor McNicholas contained a rather glaring error. McNicholas erroneously says that The Stone Roses "released their eponymous debut album in 1998."
20. One or two magazine articles claim that The Stone Roses took their name from a 1950's Sarah Gainham espionage novel, entitled 'The Stone Roses.' I would recommend checking out the book - a most enjoyable read !
21. Geffen own Chess Records and sent The Stone Roses a box of back catalogue material from the label circa Second Coming, serving to fuel John Squire's blues guitar fixation at the time.
22. While The Stone Roses were at Ewloe, recording Second Coming, Elton John's brother was at the foot of the garden, making guitars.
23. Christian Bale, interviewed in the Sunday Times on 17th May 2009, said that his MP3 player had "lots of old Stone Roses stuff, in particular Tears, from their 1994 CD Second Coming." Cricketer Graeme Swann, speaking to The Observer on 15th November 2009, was not as fond of Second Coming. Asked whose back catalogue he rated higher between The Stone Roses and Oasis, Swann answered Oasis without hesitation. "The Stone Roses back catalogue has got 15 unbelievable songs on it but their second album's horsepiss, basically. Oasis's first two albums and all the B-sides, even the third album that everyone slates when they were so high on coke all the time, are brilliant." However, this entry from Swann's Twitter in 2010 perhaps suggests that the album is growing on him:
so happy for my mate jimmy, have celebrated his 5for with love spreads by stone roses in the change room, adil looks bemused
8:47 AM Jan 4th from mobile web
24. The Stone Roses recorded their debut album at Battery Studios, London. Former glamour model and singer Sam Fox, who was on the same label, would often turn up to hang out and make tea.
25. There is an apocryphal story about a major-label A&R team dispatched to Manchester in the 1980s with instructions to sign the band that was making enormous waves in the north-west. The industry bods took one listen to the sounds at the Hacienda, and Geffen signed The Chameleons. The story goes that it wasn't until much later that someone told them they'd actually been sent to secure The Stone Roses.
26.
Flyer (front and back) for Stone Love indie dance night in Manchester, submitted by Martyn Thompson. Mani is scheduled to make an appearance on 17th February 1999.
27. Ian Tilton sent me this scan of a Stone Roses setlist (from mid to late '87, or possibly early '88, judging from the songs) that he had recently found in his collection:
28. On the Wednesday following Spike Island, a bootleg flyer for the festival could be seen on Coronation Street.
29. On the front cover of Second Coming, the following painting can be found. If anyone recognizes this painting, please email me.
30. Look closely at the set-list taped up beside Reni at Blackpool Empress Ballroom, in August 1989. Two songs are missing from the official video release: Standing Here (after Made of Stone) and Sally Cinnamon (before I Am The Resurrection).
31. Here is a photo of a ticket for The Stone Roses at Manchester Apollo, and Mani's bass notes for Fool's Gold. These were on display at the Sounds of the City exhibition, at the Man City museum (housed above the shop at the City of Manchester Stadium).
32. In 1998, Mani produced the Puressence song, 'Standing In Your Shadow', which appeared on their album from that year, 'Only Forever.' In 2003, he toured with Ocean Colour Scene, who had sacked their own bassist, providing support for Stereophonics.
33.
The hat that Reni is wearing in this photo was thrown on stage to him by Roses fan Chris Copeland, at a gig in Islington, in 1989. Reni took a shine to it and wore it quite a lot after this gig. The hat originates from the drama section of Hatfield Polytechnic. Chris discovered it in a costume chest !
34. Carmine Agudo sent in this Primal Scream photo from Glasgow Barrowlands, 17th December 2002:
35. Here is a photo from 1991 showing German punk rock band Slime at Ian Brown's house. The band were in Manchester that summer to play a festival.
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